Theme Hour on the Chimera Clan
From FiranMUX
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "Hello, and welcome to Theme Hour! Your professor is a little sleepy tonight, so please bear with me if I'm slow."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "Tonight we tackle the Chimera clan. Brave pioneers! As usual, I'm going to give you a couple of paragraphs' worth of background on them, and then I'm going to open the floor to questions."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "As you should know, the Chimeras are the newest clan in the Republic. They were founded within living memory, by one Elianos Firgalik, who took an assorted band of soldiers, pioneers and adventurers into the northern wilderness, and carved out a clan. Later on, when Elianos was made the first Ranivor, he tried to hand over the Chimera medallion to his right hand man, Riss, who did not want it, and let it go to his daughter, Akinita, who became the first -- and only -- Rissik Clan Leader. Akinita was later executed by the clan council (along with her son and heir Sabinus), and replaced with Inaya, Elianos' granddaughter, who formed the Elikista family. Lately, we've seen the Chimera rocked by conspiracy that included the Rissiks plotting to take the medallion."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "Of all the clans in the Republic, the Chimeras are the most mixed bag. They are often woodsmen, are very comfortable with the outdoors, and have a greater idea of democracy and individual rights than many other clans. Some clans will see them as rough and unsophisticated, though. They are known as 'the clan of second chances' for their habit of taking in those banished from other clans, which sometimes works out for them and sometimes...doesn't."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "I (and whatever assorted minions I've got tucked away on channel) shall take questions now."
[Public] Kelarik says, "Has the 'clan of second chances' ever banished someone?"
[Public] Mahir says, "Got a prime one I've seen on a lot of channels - The Chimera effectively have one noble family left. How do the peeps feel about this? And sure, Kelarik, Inaya banished Sadin to Caldera City."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "They're certainly as capable of it as any other clan, although I can't think of a specific PC individual off the top of my head."
[Public] Kelarik says, "Forgot about that one, Mahir. (But I meant more as a 'get out of the clan and don't come back' sort of banishment anyhow.)"
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "That's not exactly a traditional banishment, Mahir, but close enough. That was more a political exile."
[Public] Orfi is curious. Why was it passed to Inaya instead of Ellianos' daughter, Selene?
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "The Chimeras are a tiny clan. They don't really /need/ another noble family. If they get too noble-heavy for their population, other clans will get upset. They're not as much into the 'noble thing' -- the pomp and circumstance and so on -- as some of the other clans, anyway."
[Public] Snarling Badger as Pakeera says, "Because Selene is insane?"
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "The short answer? Selene is a nut."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "The slightly more complicated answer would by that the people in power at the time selected what they felt was the 'best' candidate with a blood claim."
[Public] Akiva says, "Chimerans tend to be the most commoner-friendly clan, at least from a leadership perspective, too; their social classes are much less stratified than most."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "The definition of 'best' in that situation was up to the people making the IC choice."
[Public] Mahir knows it wasn't an easy choice at the time.
[Public] Jalil says, "Actually, there were a very limited number of options. :)"
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber nods to Akiva. We talked about the Bears on Monday; the Chimeras are opposite to them in many ways, including class consciousness. Even though they're the Chimera's only neighbours.
[Public] Akiva says, "Selene's got a dubious public opinion. Probably more than half the Republic think she's both nuts and slutty and not married to a God at all."
[Public] Adan says, "Well, as I recall from the emits, oddly, the Chimerans aren't as much on the Democracy bandwagon?"
[Public] Akiva says, "They're not, Adan, but only because of the way they were founded. They may be rough and tumble, but they're orderly, and democracy is very chaotic. Think of them more as brusque military types -- they like their structure, but they like it on ability less than blood. Democracy is floofs and madmen having a say in government. Very inefficient. ;)"
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "Selene's basically politically neligible, due to her lifestyle choices. :)"
[Public] Arik says, "Hey she's happily married! :P"
[Public] Akiva says, "I wouldn't say they're a meritocracy, exactly. But the way they carved their homes out of the wilderness tends to lead to a certain respect for ability, and a respect for people who are self-reliant."
[Public] Kelarik says, "Is it an accurate statement that the only characters on the grid to have ever 'had' (as much as you can have) a giant eagle are Chimerans?"
[Public] Mahir says, "Didn't Riss use to yell at people who called him Lord?"
[Public] Akiva says, "Not exactly, Kelarik."
[Public] Akiva believes Torvahl had one too.
[Public] Akiva says, "Torvahl, Akinita, Garen, and now Sharin."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber nods. Torvahl did. It's in news giant eagles.
[Public] Mahir says, "Sharin now being the first commoner with a weapon of mass griffon eating. :) I've played a couple Chimeras now, and that non-stratification of social class has been one of the harder things for me to play."
[Public] Adan says, "How did the Chimera get legitimacy as a Clan? Was it a fight? I mean, if a Prince grabbed some people and made a Clan, I doubt they would get 'here, have a medallion' that Chimera got."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "It was easier to make a clan pre-Republic. Now the Clan Council would have to agree to the formation of a new clan (I believe there are a couple of instances in game history when they considered it), and there is no real unexplored unoccupied land for a clan to occupy."
[Public] Adan says, "When was the Chimera founded?"
[Public] Adan says, "News file has 30 years ago, but I dunno when the file was written."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "Elianos founded them at 16. He's 70 now. :)"
[Public] Adan says, "So...15 B.U. Cool. :)"
[Public] Akiva says, "There's unexplored unoccupied land. Lots of it. It's just that things out there tend to eat people."
[Public] Savaren says, "Makes it more fun."
[Public] Adan says, "Is there any public information on How Chimera Got a Medallion or is that one of the Mysteries of History?"
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber grins at Akiva. Outside the Firan realms, yes. In the Firan realms, it's either been claimed or designed as 'Forbidden.'
[Public] Arik says, "Go ahead Savaren. I'll be right behind you. :P"
[Public] Akiva says, "Right."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "There were people, in the past, who knew how to make clan medallions."
[Public] Savaren smiles. "I bet ya would."
[Public] Arik says, "Several miles behind...on griffon. But still! Behind!"
[Public] Fiero says, "Didn't Throg make the medallions?"
[Public] Fiero says, "Thought I heard that somewhere"
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "No."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "Throgana made Vahlgellan's."
[Public] Akiva says, "Most of the medallions are ancient."
[Public] Adan says, "'news medallions' suggest Throgana knew."
[Public] Adan says, "Well, at least two are new."
[Public] Fiero says, "Well know the Shamis are wearing Clan Medallions as a fasion accessory :P"
[Public] Adan says, "The Chimera Clan, obviously, and the Ranivor's Medallion."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "There's been two Ranivor's medallions."
[Public] Jalil says, "There are two Ranivor' medallions."
[Public] Jalil says, "Jinx."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "Elianos took the original Ranivor's medallion with him."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "(As opposed to Bannos and Sbaine, who left their clan medallions behind.)"
[Public] Steph says, "Which was damned assholish of him."
[Public] Mahir says, "Whoops."
[Public] Jalil says, "Vahlgellan's has his face on it. :("
[Public] % Jeanne says, "But kind of typically Elianos, Steph."
[Public] Savaren laughs.
[Public] Zaruell says, "every medallion has spiritual powers, or just the ancient ones?"
[Public] Adan says, "Who knows? :)"
[Public] % Jeanne says, "Inasmuch as it's like, 'I'll be gone for six months or so. Don't mess things up while I'm gone, and I'm taking the medallion with me to ensure you behave.'"
[Public] Arik says, "Yeah the lack of a medallion didn't help. :P"
[Public] "Rainbow" Randolph Smiley Javier says, "But would you really leave the medallion behind?"
[Public] "Rainbow" Randolph Smiley Javier says, "A medallion with no owner, hrmz . . ."
[Public] Mahir says, "Is that common knowledge? That the original medallion was taken? Cause I could totally see peeps going 'You know, back in the day when we had a leader with a /real/ medallion around his neck...'"
[Public] Do Not Upset Mr. Bigglesworth Ronti says, "Medallions? We don't need no stinking medal.... *can't finish. Made a statue*"
[Public] Zaruell says, "Will Elianos ever come back? is it just waiting for his player to turn up again? or is he icly gone forever, even if his player was playing?"
[Public] "Rainbow" Randolph Smiley Javier says, "I think you gave Steph an emit idea Mahir for when the dung hits the fan? :P"
[Public] Akiva says, "That is a question with a mysterious answer, Zaruell."
[Public] Do Not Upset Mr. Bigglesworth Ronti says, "Elianos and some others went to Vreland."
[Public] Akiva says, "If you knew, you could make a fortune selling the answer."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "It's an IC situation, Zaruell. We're not telling. :)"
[Public] Akiva says, "The Ranivor's medallion was new anyway. A lot of people forget that the very _concept_ of Republic is new and fragile."
[Public] Mahir says, "Hasn't it? I mean, taking out Ellish - we've gone backwards for how many IC years now?"
[Public] Orfi thinks they would be rather upset..
[Public] Akiva says, "But let's stay focused on the Chimerans, shall we? :)"
[Public] Do Not Upset Mr. Bigglesworth Ronti says, "I forgot all the names of the others, but they went because they wanted to tell the Vrelanders about the impending doom of Shamis and try to get help, I believe."
[Public] Arik says, "Well it's been a generation if not two. Which in IC terms makes it pretty long standing. :P"
[Public] % Jeanne notes, there's not really a 'science' to the medallions. They're something regarded with a bit of awe, like modern Christians might regard the relics of a saint. It's more a matter of faith than 'gee, let's take it apart and see how it works.' So questions on the medallions will probably always be met with an answer like, "That's an interesting question, isn't it? :)"
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "The Vrelanders know about the Shamis, Ronti. They fight them in the winters. That's why the Shamis have Vrelander slaves."
[Public] Adan says, "'news medallions' is an awesome file. *sagenod*"
[Public] Do Not Upset Mr. Bigglesworth Ronti says, "Then they went to form a coallition?"
[Public] Akiva says, "The Vrelanders asked for the Heroes' help."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "The Heroes went to help, and in hopes of forming an alliance. But it's a long, long way to Vreland."
[Public] Do Not Upset Mr. Bigglesworth Ronti says, "Ahhh"
[Public] Akiva says, "So theoretically it was a diplomatic mission. (Which is why sending _Elianos_ was a dumb idea. I digress.)"
[Public] Mahir says, "Back onto the Chimera, it seems from the news files that they're supposed to be always acting like they've something to prove, not just hard working, but an innate desire to do better than everyone else, against the odds."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber sings 'It's a long, long way to Vrelandary.'
[Public] "Rainbow" Randolph Smiley Javier says, "Given Riss was the equalivent of the Roman farmer called on to be emperor how often do commoners advance through the Chimeran ranks to be leaders."
[Public] Akiva says, "I mean. They sent Garen, and Elianos, and Torvahl? To be diplomatic? No wonder it spectacularly kaboomed."
[Public] Arik says, "Ouch. :P"
[Public] Zaruell says, "if they ever come back, a huge heroes welcome. A month long holiday. Stories told for generations."
[Public] Orfi says, "Being Elianos was formerly a gold dragon and thus monotheistic, how much of the clan has remained monotheistic and ect..."
[Public] Akiva says, "If they ever come back, their heirs will be nothing more than vapor trails tracing away over the horizon."
[Public] Do Not Upset Mr. Bigglesworth Ronti says, "Sorry. If they come back, expect them to say 'What the feck happened here?!' and then order every one lined up for the biggest Stooge-face slap in history"
[Public] Zaruell says, "'my great grandfather was there, in the crowd as Elianos strode back into town, on a very high horse indeed.""
[Public] % Jeanne hahs at Zaruell. Either that or a bloodbath when they see what's happened to their clans. (Bannos: You gave my clan to NYDIAM? And where the hell are my kids? Elianos: Wait, TALEO TERANZIK is ruling the Republic? Garen: *silent rage, kills everyone*)
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "The Chimeras are a polytheistic clan. However, it's not uncommon to find some monotheistic members because of the Gold Dragon heritage. (That said, some of their original members left the GDs because they wanted to be publicly poly.)"
[Public] Akiva says, "Orfi, the Chimera are nominally polytheistic, and stubbornly so -- faith is a self-determined trait, after all. Chimerans don't take well to being told what to think about things. They're solid, and a bit stolid about some things, and stubborn as rocks."
[Public] Akiva says, "He was pretty addled even before he left, so. Wouldn't be out of character."
[Public] Adan says, "Sadly, the Great Hero has become associated with 'five classes' :)"
[Public] Do Not Upset Mr. Bigglesworth Ronti says, "As for commoners gaining power, the lack of a class structure does allow for commoners to gain some power, but you cross the line of noble/non-noble interaction, you will be told about it."
[Public] Akiva says, "So, the Chimerans. Actually, people don't usually realize that most of the Firan lands are woodlands, cleared for farming in places, but primarily forest. But the Chimeran lands are _woodland_. Comparitively few roads, small villages and little in the way of cities."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "The Chimeras are also very isolated."
[Public] Akiva says, "Yep. It'd be like living in Germania if you were used to Rome."
[Public] Jalil says, "Emran. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy."
[Public] Akiva says, "You're camped in a wood palisade listening to spooky forest noises with no indoor plumbing and a lame bath house made of -wood- of all things."
[Public] Adan says, "How do Chimerans feel about the Republic?"
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "Due to the fact a lot of the land bordering them is considered haunted and impassable, the only way they can go anywhere is by crossing Bear lands. And although they and the Bears used to be great friends, they haven't been for a while."
[Public] "Rainbow" Randolph Smiley Javier says, "Wait a minute, I thought the Bears developed all of their land?"
[Public] Akiva says, "Extensively."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber thinks Coralut is worse, Jalil. ;)
[Public] Do Not Upset Mr. Bigglesworth Ronti says, "The land beyond Chimera lands is considered haunted?"
[Public] "Rainbow" Randolph Smiley Javier says, "Remember the emit about their lands fillin up and looking to the lush Hydran forrests? wouldn't the other clans be the same."
[Public] Jalil says, "Probably. I like to think Istagadin ls like that."
[Public] Akiva says, "The land between the Chimera and the Gold Dragons is haunted or too mountainous to pass over."
[Public] Akiva says, "City of Lost Souls? Same zip code."
[Public] Jalil says, "Yes. It will devour your soul."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "The Forbidden Lands."
[Public] Jalil says, "We like it that way."
[Public] Zaruell says, "the forbidden lands are location of city of lost souls?"
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "http://firan.legendary.org/index.php/Image:Newmap.jpg --> See that land south of the Chimeras that no clan has claimed? There's a reason."
[Public] Jalil says, "You remember the dead marshes from The Two Towers? Kinda like that. ;)"
[Public] Orfi says, "What caused the bear-chimera war"
[Public] Akiva says, "Wasn't a war so much as a severe chilling of affection."
[Public] Balinda says, "the fire swamp in princess bride."
[Public] Mahir says, "It seems like the Chimeras should be known for thinking outside the box, wereas the Bears have their arts, Chimeras should be the experiementors. Is there a reason why few characters of that type seem to be developed there? just everyone too busy surviving to do so?"
[Public] Akiva says, "But it was mostly Yasha stealing Sabinus away with a wedding prize right before Petrina married him. And some Ista Baruns trying to murder peeps. And things."
[Public] Audere est facere Hufimo haa seen some hostility from the bears towards the chim, not as much the chim towards them.
[Public] "Rainbow" Randolph Smiley Javier says, "On that map, those two mountains south of the Chimera clan are haunted?"
[Public] Akiva says, "That's because we hadn't taken our revenge yet. O:)"
[Public] Akiva says, "Yep. Or so they say."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "Sabinus was heir to the Chimera medallion and engaged to Petrina for years. Days before their wedding was scheduled to happen, Yasha stole him with a marriage prize. The Bears were convinced the Chimeras planned it, and after that things got /really/ messy."
[Public] % Jeanne says, "That's the myth, anyway, Zaruell. That chunk of land, anyone who's tried to pass through it has visions, supposedly seeing the spirits of lost souls as they make their way through there. Whatever the cause, many people die when they try to cross it."
[Public] % Jeanne says, "Which means the Chimera lands are readily defensible militarily (no one can take an army through there), but it also means they're exceptionally vulnerable economically since the only way safe into the Chimera lands (to bring, say, trading goods or whatever) is through the Bear lands."
[Public] Akiva says, "Mahir, the Chimera aren't really experimentors because they're too busy working for a living, if that's an answer. But Orestes, for instance, is an architect who came up with a really cool method of protecting buildings against aerial impact. (Like falling griffons)"
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "The lost city of souls is often traditionally located north of Luragadin."
[Public] Do Not Upset Mr. Bigglesworth Ronti looks for a map
[Public] Mahir nods to Akiva. "I think there's still one of his bomb shelters on the grid too."
[Public] Akiva says, "There's less of a tradition of literacy and education in the Chimera clan, too. Just because schools are spread out and they don't have the city institutions that other clans do."
[Public] Akiva says, "I know the Chimeran leadership was pretty intent on making that a priority. (Education, that is)"
[Public] Akiva says, "Too much book learning is kind of 'floofy' too. ;)"
[Public] Audere est facere Hufimo seconds that!
[Public] Audere est facere Hufimo says, "What would be the chimera views towards the other clans? The bears don't seem to like them, the hydras aren't great fans of them either but the chim seem to mostly act as they don't care."
[Public] Akiva says, "But if there was a clan that would survive and carry on the Firan traditions, it'd be the Chimerans. They're self-sufficient, rugged, and extremely good fighters, particularly on their home turf. And as for the other clans, well. I don't think the Chimerans much -do- care, not personally. They're distant in many ways from the other clans, and tend to wave off a lot of the interclan politics as 'not their problem'."
[Public] Adan isn't sure if his question was upthread was answered: How do the Chimerans feel about the Republic?
[Public] Arik says, "Elianos made it. Can't be all bad. :P"
[Public] Akiva says, "I think they're proud of the notion of Republic, and not inclined to leave it, but it's primarily due to Elianos. They consider the Ranivor to be 'theirs' and that means they're invested. Politics of the last few decades have been rough on them, though."
[Public] Akiva says, "I personally think that most Chimerans are of the opinion that the rest of the clans should just shut up and go beat on Shamibelians, and quit squabbling."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "The Chimeras were instrumental in creating the Republic. The Republic royal family is still considered Chimeran. At one point they had an almost obscene amount of influence on the Republic for such a small clan, but that has really faded. As Akiva says, they're very invested in it."
[Public] Savaren says, "Bad Decisions really"
[Public] Adan says, "How do they like the Republic Army, to go along with the question."
[Public] Akiva says, "If the Chimerans were a person, they'd walk into the Clan Council chamber and start yelling at people until they got their way. Which, unfortunately, isn't the most effective way of keeping other clans from hating your guts."
[Public] Akiva says, "Very proud and very invested again, Adan. You'll find a disproportionately large number of Chimerans in Republic service for their size."
[Public] Adan says, "Isn't that called 'Taria'?"
[Public] Akiva says, "She learned it from Elianos."
[Public] % Jeanne says, "At one point, the Elianiks and the Rissiks worked very closely, when the Rissiks ruled the Chimeras and the Elianiks ruled the Republic. They'd intermarried, and actually some of the clans really resented the amount of influence the Chimera clan had over the Republic as a whole."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "Inaya is really a very atypical Chimeran."
[Public] Mahir grins at Akiva's example, and suddenly thinks of Ronti for some reason.
[Public] % Jeanne says, "As was noted, that influence has decreased significantly. Between there not actually being an Elianik Ranivor at the moment, and the Rissiks falling from grace, and now more recent events, the Chimera clan no longer wields much of the influence they once did."
[Public] Do Not Upset Mr. Bigglesworth Ronti says, "But, with the rise of the Princes being generals, that could change. :)"
[Public] Adan says, "Obviously, fall-out is still happening, but any tentative thoughts on how the Traitors Scandal will impact the clan thematically?"
[Public] Akiva says, "Possibly, Ronti."
[Public] Akiva says, "Of course, the rest of you would have to stop getting into trouble. ;)"
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "I don't think it's going to change the fundamental nature of the clan, but it's going to have tremendous political impact on the clan, and likely they'll be in a slump for a bit, as has every clan at some point during the game."
[Public] Savaren says, "Depends on how long we stay alive at war"
[Public] Mahir expects that the run for the Republic throne is the holding of the breath for the Chimera clan. "They're going to rule once more, just more a question of who."
[Public] Akiva says, "Really, what the Chimera need is a strong leader. They've always needed one -- it was how they were founded, and how they function best."
[Public] Akiva says, "They can't do democracy or distributed control. They need a general."
[Public] "Rainbow" Randolph Smiley Javier says, "Like Riss!"
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "Although, at this point, if something like this happens /again/, given how small and new the Chimeras are, their continued existence may be called into questions. But that's speculation."
[Public] Mahir says, "Someone who wakes up in the morning and says 'We're building that damn road, and if Bears come by to put artwork by the side of the road, charge them for it.'"
[Public] Audere est facere Hufimo says, "There are no more noble families to lose. No worries with that. ;)"
[Public] Akiva says, "Quite. It would not be impossible that the Chimerans might lose their acceptance as a clan -- if they become weak enough, or if they lose enough general favor, it would lead to a possibility that someone could take over without destabilizing the Republic. The clan will need to work on shoring up alliances and building up its strength and morale."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "They were initially respected as a clan because they were founded by a great hero and were remarkably militarily. Those factors have rather faded."
[Public] Akiva isn't sure most people realize how -close- the Chimera clan has come to losing everything.
[Public] Zalman says, "well there's teh elianiks and now elikistas..."
[Public] Alessandro says, "Go Chimeras!"
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "The Elianiks don't really count."
[Public] Akiva says, "Failures, fools and children."
[Public] Mahir says, "Is it just me, or does there seem to be a duality to the clan in a way. There's the Chimera, and there's the Elianiks, or is that just people sliding off theme?"
[Public] Akiva says, "If you're getting technical. ;)"
[Public] Audere est facere Hufimo says, "We are waiting for the next great chimera ranivor! Whoever he is."
[Public] Mahir gets his question answered before he finishes typing it. *hattip Amber*
[Public] Akiva says, "They aren't really Chimera, though. They were raised in Anarinuell by a Bear Viceroy."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "They belong to the Republic."
[Public] Akiva says, "They know less of Emran than most tourists."
[Public] Audere est facere Hufimo says, "details details..."
[Public] Arik says, "Tell that to the Chimerans. :P"
[Public] Akiva says, "The clan will be proud of them, but the -rest- of the Republic doesn't necessarily view them as Chimeran. And that means that the successes of a prince don't necessarily raise the profile of the clan. :)"
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "On the flipside, that doesn't necessarily mean the Chimerans lost face because Vahlgellan, Solgarik and Sadin turned out to be idiots. ;P"
[Public] Savaren says, "No the Elianiks did"
[Public] Adan shake-fist Sadin. :)
[Public] Arik nods, "True. Well until the recent business they also had a huge stake in the republic military, with the various princes, and then Ronti, Vasyklo, and Kristover all holding General rankings.
[Public] Akiva says, "Actually. The smart princes try not to identify themselves as Chimera, as far as I know. They want to be seen as being of the Republic. It insulates them from the interclan issues that might cause them problems at the Ranivor vote."
[Public] Mahir says, "Is there an established heir to the Chimera throne?"
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "Note, for instance, how often princes' wives retain their original clans, in comparison to how often that happens with intermarriages among clan royals."
[Public] Akiva says, "No."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "Either of Inaya's children could inherit. Or her second cousin Bobik the farm hand she felt like designating such."
[Public] Akiva says, "Actually. There's been a precedence of late that clan leaders haven't really been picking their own heirs."
[Public] Noble privilege educator, Taleo says, "Also, Chimerans don't have authority over the Elianik family. And so in a way, they are citizens, but not. I mean, technically they do, but the Republic could take jurisdiction over any situation involving Elianiks."
[Public] Arik says, "And probably would. :)"
[Public] Akiva says, "I mean. Inaya could say she wanted Bobik to have it, but the clan council would be the ultimate decider of whether or not Bobik actually gets to sit at the table."
[Public] Mahir nods, "Like the argument over Sadin's land."
[Public] Balinda says, "she is preggers now too."
[Public] Akiva says, "Really, any Elianik has just as much right to the medallion as Inaya does."
[Public] Jalil says, "Legally she can name her own heir, Akiva."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "Realistically any kid born now is going to have a substantially lower chance at the medallion than its adult siblings."
[Public] Akiva says, "She got it because she was of age and not overtly crazy and because she's Elianos' granddaughter."
[Public] Akiva says, "She can, Jalil. But it doesn't matter."
[Public] Mahir says, "So does that affect the Chimera clan? That their throne could be a consolation prize for whoever doesn't get the Ranivor's medallion?"
[Public] Adan says, "Unless whoever the named heir is wants to take on the Council."
[Public] Akiva says, "They can try."
[Public] Akiva says, "If she was serious about naming an heir, the best way to do it would be to give up the medallion while she's still alive."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "Actually, the Clan Council hasn't really mucked with the choice of clan leader who was in power when they designated their heir all that much."
[Public] Akiva says, "Because doing that would be much less likely to cause the council to overrule her, unless her choice was deemed very unwise."
[Public] Zalman says, "couldn't it be written into her will?"
[Public] Mahir coughs*avahlon*coughs.
[Public] Arik says, "Yeah but if she isn't around to defend it, it may not be worth very much Zalman. :)"
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "Belik and Zeysani's wills were respected, except the CC decided /when/ the heirs were ready."
[Public] Akiva says, "Right."
[Public] Akiva says, "And also because their chosen heirs were deemed acceptable."
[Public] Riven says, "They could decide someone was never ready, though, right?"
[Public] Zalman nods
[Public] Akiva says, "If they hadn't been, the CC would've done something else. :)"
[Public] Arik says, "If Zeysani had named Zaridos heir...."
[Public] Jon says, "Legally, she has the sovereign right to name her own heir. The council overruling it would cause a lot of strife. Take the Ibania Revolution for example."
[Public] Akiva says, "Legality means exactly what it means. Firan law isn't precedent-based."
[Public] Mahir says, "Plus they were extremely strong leaders. They had already earned the Council's respect."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "We are, however, really wandering off topic here. :)"
[Public] Akiva says, "They weren't when they were named, Mahir. They earned it during their Regencies. ;)"
[Public] Mahir says, "But what I was asking how does this all affect the Chimeras - they, at least, think of the Elianiks as their own, and desire a very strong leader, would they want to settle for second?"
[Public] Akiva says, "I imagine, Mahir, that it will depend on the Elianiks. They'll have to decide if they want to be Republic or Chimeran."
[Public] Do Not Upset Mr. Bigglesworth Ronti says, "Most of the Chimerans came as an off shoot of the Gold Dragons, correct?"
[Public] Do Not Upset Mr. Bigglesworth Ronti says, "The original Chimerans"
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "The original Chimerans were Gold Dragons. The poor huddled masses yearning to be free from other clans also trickled in. :)"
[Public] Adan says, "The Original Blood Dragons. :)"
[Public] Noble privilege educator, Taleo says, "Just a note. The CC can't overrule an heir without unanimous consent. The moment Inaya hands over the medallion, that person is Clan Leader, and the person can't be removed without everyone (but that clan) voting to remove that person."
[Public] Riven says, "If they original Chimerans were Gold Dragons, why isn't the clan mostly mono?"
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber nods to Taleo. That's a good way to clarify it.
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "Because a lot of them were seeking religious freedom, Riven."
[Public] Adan says, "Monotheism in the Gold Dragon clan as a State religion is also fairly recent."
[Public] Do Not Upset Mr. Bigglesworth Ronti says, "Amber stated that a lot of them were really polys"
[Public] Adan says, "Coming with Firgalas."
[Public] Jon nods. And given the personalities on the council, getting that unanimous vote when it's not overtly a bad heir, is... close to declaring war.
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber nods to Adan. Monotheism /started/ with Firgalas -- Elianos' father -- and Belik.
[Public] Zalman came late to the discussion so it may have been asked.... Has there ever been determined what percentage of the Chimera Clan came from the other clans? I know a sizable percentage came from and still have relatives ICly in the Gold Dragon clan, but there was something I read some time back about a measurable percentage being from the other clans at that time as well...
[Public] Adan says, "Well, Amber, I argue that the seeds of monotheism are in Zutiv's landing in Zutran. But that's my inner-Rasmus talking."
[Public] "Rainbow" Randolph Smiley Javier coughs loudly at Taleo and Jon. "Oh really?" :P
[Public] Fiero says, "I know a lot went from the Hydrans to the Chimera during the Zeysani/Pavan/Draugik thing as well"
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "Think of people fleeing a new restrictive state religion. It's happened multiple times in RL."
[Public] Jon peers at Javier?
[Public] "Rainbow" Randolph Smiley Javier says, ""[Public] Jon nods. And given the personalities on the council, getting that unanimous vote when it's not overtly a bad heir, is... close to declaring war." :P"
[Public] "Rainbow" Randolph Smiley Javier says, "You do know how many hoops Amenik had to jump through. :P But that is straying."
[Public] Adan says, "No one ever contested his right as heir, tho, Javier. Just /when/ he could sit."
[Public] Orfi says, "wrong night, Javier :)"
[Public] Jon says, "Like said previously, they approved him, but only when he'd proved himself."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "Adan, you can place the 'seeds' of monotheism wherever you like, but it became an organized church with scope and political impact under Firgalas and Belik."
[Public] Adan says, "Oh. I know."
[Public] Riven says, "How do people change clan to Chimera outside of marriage/adoption? Is it different from other clans since so many people joined them?"
[Public] Audere est facere Hufimo thinks that that was when the relations between chimeras and hydras suffered a hard blow, Fiero. Amenik was really pissed with that.
[Public] Adan says, "Like I said, it was my inner-Rasmus talking."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber grins.
[Public] Celeste says, "The Hydrans weren't unanimously keen on Amenik, either though, Javier. :)"
[Public] "Rainbow" Randolph Smiley Javier says, "Yes, but they could have delayed for a looong time if they wanted so, for all intensive purposes, if the CC doesn't want an heir they just need to filibuster until NPC riot? :P"
[Public] Zalman says, "yeah they thought him "too weak" etc. to lead a clan at the time iirc"
[Public] Jon says, "Same idea. If they filibuster the whole time they need political capital to do it."
[Public] Celeste says, "but the point is, the NPCs wouldn't have done so for Amenik at that point, else the CC wouldn't have risked it."
[Public] Akiva says, "Nowadays, Riven, people join the Chimera just like they join any other clan. They get approval from their current clan (or are kicked out) and the Chimera @judges to accept them."
[Public] Mahir says, "Focusing back on the Chimera, Riven asked a good question, and I don't recall a lot of modern fleeing to the Chimera - is that because of clan weakness right now?"
[Public] Noble privilege educator, Taleo says, "The Hydra Clan situation was different, as were the Griffon Clan situation, since there was no sitting Clan Leader to pass off the medallion."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "Keep in mind that a lot of politics isn't written in stone -- leaders get creative. :)"
[Public] Noble privilege educator, Taleo says, "And a Regent needed appointing by the Clan Council, making it the Clan Council's responsibility."
[Public] "Rainbow" Randolph Smiley Javier says, "So most CL's pass medallions before they die?"
[Public] Noble privilege educator, Taleo says, "(sorry to go off-topic, but an important clarification)"
[Public] Akiva says, "Changing clans is a big deal. Most people don't do it unless there's a very powerful reason to do so -- and most of those who might be motivated don't want to go live in a shack in the woods if someone else would take them instead."
[Public] "Rainbow" Randolph Smiley Javier is sorry as well but since the topic came up I had to get clarification. :P
[Public] Audere est facere Hufimo says, "There was always people going to the chimera, it usually just takes a big event to be more obvious. Last time it was Scirlut."
[Public] Noble privilege educator, Taleo says, "Or at the moment of death, to an heir capable of taking the throne at that time."
[Public] "Rainbow" Randolph Smiley Javier says, "So a will to pass on a medallion isn't sufficient?"
[Public] Adan says, "It's just usually wiser, I think, is the argument, Javier."
[Public] Riven says, "It looks like there are a lot less Chimera nobles than any other clan, is it because they're so new and because those who change clans to Chimera haven't been nobles?"
[Public] Do Not Upset Mr. Bigglesworth Ronti says, "That's why the commoners are doing the new 'I'll stay with my clan, you stay with yours, and the kids will be this' thing now a days when they get married"
[Public] Celeste says, "It's good, Javier, but when nobody, including the clan in question, is really keen on the candidate, the will can be bent, as it was with Amenik."
[Public] Mahir says, "Politics night is going to be fascinating. Will there be a religion night as well?"
[Public] Noble privilege educator, Taleo says, "It is sufficient. Had the Clan Council not had to appoint a Regent to the Hydra Clan, the Regent appointed by Belik would have decided when to give Amenik the medallion and the CC would not have been involved. Because Belik's will failed in appointed regency and the CC got involved, that is why the CC decided when Amenik would hold the medallion."
[Public] Akiva says, "Wills are pieces of paper. They go missing. They get forged."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "Wills are important. The Clan Council actually tends to really respect the wills of clan leaders in the end, even if they bicker over them. Because they know if they disregard other clan leaders' wills, theirs won't get any respect."
[Public] Akiva says, "I'm just saying that things are fluid."
[Public] Akiva says, "Bannos' will, for instance, actually gives his medallion to Sadin if none of his actual kids are around."
[Public] Akiva says, "But since half his clan thought he was an ursurper anyway, it's kind of moot."
[Public] Celeste says, "Well that and that he's not publicly acknowledged as dead. ;)"
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "The Cockatrice medallion's current holder was determined by war. That's a little different."
[Public] Akiva says, "True."
[Public] Arik says, "Previous holder, Amber. :P"
[Public] Arik says, "Dia hasn't had any wars. :P"
[Public] Jon says, "So was the GD medallion's, kinda."
[Public] Celeste says, "The lesson for sitting clan leaders being, put a first choice for regent in your will if you are killed before your heir-designate is of a suitable age."
[Public] Akiva says, "I'm of the opinion that we're slowly moving to a time when the clans won't be actually the primary divisions in Firan society anymore."
[Public] Akiva says, "But that's just my opinion. :)"
[Public] Zalman hmms... Sadin or Nydiam.... kind of lesser of two evils thing :)
[Public] Adan says, "You're just capital-centric, Akiva."
[Public] Akiva says, "I'm taking a long view."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "Well, Diamia was in the weird position where she'd be heir of two of the three sides in the civil war, but she could have lost it if both her parents lost the war. ;)"
[Public] Mahir nods towards Akiva, "It seems like to me, the Chimeras are already there in a lot of ways - it's not their problem, how about grabbing that axe, some armor and either clear out these trees or go kill some Goats."
[Public] Akiva says, "Yep. They're further on the road, because they're so new anyway."
[Public] Arik says, "I dunno Chimerans tend to be very proud of that fact. Especially because so many of them left their old clans on bad terms. Especially around Olympics they've always tended to be pretty proud. They like showing self-sufficiency and things like that. They don't like politics but I've always seen them as still having a lot of clan pride because often they /chose/ it."
[Public] Zalman thinks if the game lasts that long we may eventually see a player led push for less divisiveness among clans, and much more harmony.... but well that'd likely take at least 10-30 RL years....
[Public] Celeste says, "just wait, they'll get closer and closer to a republic unity instead of clan identity, and then some time in the future one clan will try to secede based on clan's rights and the rest of the clans will violate the constitution in order to force them to stay, and then we'll just be all Republic all the time. O:)"
[Public] Arik says, "I dunno... you'd be surprised. A lot of characters tend to at the back of their minds, be very clan oriented. Players seem to enjoy that when it comes out."
[Public] Riven says, "Are there still those who doubt how well the Chimera clan will last, or at least are there many who do?"
[Public] Arik says, "Not like any clan has tried to secede lately."
[Public] Orfi has a question that concerns some 'fairly' recent events. Was the riots against Melani more of the other clans or was the Chimeran really against her becoming Torianos' wife?
[Public] Jalil thinks there's no force driving the clans together other than the Shamibelians.
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "The Republic in general was not enthused about it. Clan-wise, it was likely most from the more 'traditional' clans."
[Public] Jon says, "I don't know, Celeste, that might take like 85 years A.U. to happen."
[Public] Mahir says, "Who would Chimerans today identify as a living hero in their clan?"
[Public] Do Not Upset Mr. Bigglesworth Ronti says, "If you will recall the emits, and I believe I am recalling them correctly, the 'mob' was older folks who still don't think Ticanee and Firan should intergrate."
[Public] Do Not Upset Mr. Bigglesworth Ronti says, "Vasyklo, mahir"
[Public] Jon says, "Actually, Arik, on the scale of time, clan secessions are still fairly recent memory."
[Public] Do Not Upset Mr. Bigglesworth Ronti says, "Seriously, read up on news Coralut... or was it Emran.... one of those two cities"
[Public] Celeste chuckles at Jon. Yeah, something like that.
[Public] Zalman says, "Vasyklo and if he's still alive.... Garen."
[Public] Jon says, "Elianos, naturally."
[Public] Mahir nods. "Did Vasyklo's retirement from the military affect the clan?"
[Public] Celeste says, "thematically most Firans are bigots. Some are nice, well-meaning bigots, but really, mostly they're still bigots. ;)"
[Public] Adan says, "Vasyklo is old. He's entitled to retire, I think the sentiment is."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber grins at Celeste. Exactly.
[Public] Zalman says, "then likely the few that might consider Sadin or Selene Living heroes :) likely they won't admit it publicly...."
[Public] Arik says, "Sarcasm Jon. :) The Hydrans were very recent if I recall. :)"
[Public] Mahir laughs and absolutely considers Sadin to be a living hero. "The Teflon Prince. Just takes a wipe to clean him up again."
[Public] Kelarik says, "What is the Chimera's feeling on Inaya holding both the medallion and the staff of the High Priestess of the Firan Realms? Are they happy/sad/proud/annoyed?"
[Public] Jon says, "Very proud. The staff is held by a sitting CL."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "It's a tremendous honour for your clan leader to be high priest(ess)."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "And, yes, Jon is right. The staff has to be held by a CL."
[Public] Fiero says, "Ho the rest of the public feels is another question"
[Public] Fiero says, "*how"
[Public] Adan says, "Do the Chimerans feel she's being unfairly villainized, then?"
[Public] Jalil thinks we discussed a regent holding it a few times.
[Public] Jalil says, "But the situation never allowed for it anyway."
[Public] Jon says, "It's... complicated, Adan. :)"
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber rephrases for Jalil: It has to be held by a member of the CC. ;)
[Public] Adan says, "It has to be a priest and a Clan Council member. So that narrows it down to three people."
[Public] Adan says, "And I doubt Amenik is going to be High Priest of the Firan Realms."
[Public] Orfi says, "Inaya, Amenik and Fidelia"
[Public] Riven says, "Is the Chimera clan more populist and democratic than other clans?"
[Public] Do Not Upset Mr. Bigglesworth Ronti says, "Odd question: If, for some reason, the chimera clan is dissolved, would the GDs have the best claim on lands and people?"
[Public] Riven says, "And if this was covered earlier before I got on, just lemme know and I can be quiet."
[Public] Jon says, "There are still quite a few Chimerans who think Inaya stole the throne. There are quite a few who support her completely and think that any accusations are unwarranted. There are quite a few who think that Inaya's method of leadership had its time, but the times they are a changin'."
[Public] Mahir says, "So since the other clans view the Elianiks as being Republic, and the Chimera just basically axed their last noble family that isn't Elianik by blood, how do the other clans view the Chimera now?"
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "A lot of other clans think a clan the size of the Chimera was pretentious to have two noble families anyway!"
[Public] Jon says, "The Ticanee don't have many, either."
[Public] Mahir says, "But they have none now, by effective extension - it's all Elianiks, even Inaya's new family name sounds like the same family."
[Public] Arik says, "Hmm the Chimerans need to produce an Elianos bastard for the throne."
[Public] Riven says, "Are they generally more democratic/populist in attitude or egalitarian because of their clan makeup?"
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "Inaya's new family is distinct from the Elianiks. She was pressured into creating one so she /would/ have a distinct family and not be seen as just Elianik."
[Public] Do Not Upset Mr. Bigglesworth Ronti says, "The ticanee have two: Dawns and Oshtas. ANd they're savages! I mean.... down to earth and innocent. 08^)"
[Public] Kelarik says, "Actually, at this point, which is the larger clan - Chimera or Ticanee? (I'm guessing Chimera, but the Ticanee have been growing, and there's been an awful lot of Chimera traitors...)"
[Public] Arik says, "The Chimerans are about 5 times the size of the Tics. :P"
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "The Chimera are still a fair bit larger than the Ticanee."
[Public] Adan says, "Chimera are actually 6th largest Clan, head of Griffon and Ticanee."
[Public] Zalman points Kelarik to @ckan/info Chimera are 2 times larger than the griffon and around 5 times larger than the ticanee...
[Public] Riven says, "Why are the Griffon so small?"
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "Because they got decimated in the Great War, Riven."
[Public] % Jeanne says, "'cause they were pretty darn near wiped out in the Great War. :)"
[Public] Mahir says, "I know what was done, but did it work? There haven't been a lot of clues in adjustments - Inaya's two children are still Elianiks, right?"
[Public] Kelarik didn't realize the Griffons were that small, either. For some reason, I thought the Chimeras were smaller. (But admittedly, I'm sleepy right now.)
[Public] Orfi has an odd question. Looking at the map, I know all the focus is here in Anarinuell, but with the Chimeran clan so far north on the map, does the clan lands have a different climate or is all of Aerval basically the same climate?
[Public] Jon says, "The part of Aerval that we know about is generally the same, with minor variations. There's very little that's been explored."
[Public] Arik says, "We have heavily forested, Lightly forested, Forests next to rivers, forests next to ocean, and occasionally mountanous forests."
[Public] Zalman says, "remember a days travel walking is around 20 miles (I think) and it's only 13 days to Emran so around 260 miles...."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "The Firan realms really aren't that large."
[Public] Jon says, "For all that we've seen, the Firan lands are still pretty small. More like the Greek city-states than the Roman Empire, I believe."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber nods to Jon. So not a lot of climate variation.
[Public] Jon says, "Now, the rumors are that the Shamibelian Empire is huge, but we don't have their maps."
[Public] Adan says, "Besides, climate change is due to the Gods! Not geography. ;)"
[Public] Arik says, "It's all Elik's fault. :("
[Public] Kelarik absently wonders - based on the map linked to earlier, there's some non-mountainous area east of Coralut. Is that 'inhabited', or is it still wildland? Could (theoretically, whether or not it's likely) the Chimeras expand eastward with their land?
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "And the rumour is that Vreland is a IC year's journey by sea."
[Public] Zalman says, "to me in comparison to an RL area it looks similar on the maps to the U.S. Pacific Northwest.... (excluding Alaska)"
[Public] Mahir can't recall from RP how far away the Nehkat are..
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "Probably closer to just WA or OR, Zalman."
[Public] Jon says, "We don't know."
[Public] Zalman nods to Amber
[Public] Orfi says, "is that TP ever gonna be continued, and to get back on the topic, how did the Chimerans overall view the Nehkat?"
[Public] Mahir says, "But back on the question of the Chimera, how do the rest of the clans view Inaya's new family?"
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "The TP is still in progress, Orfi. It got held up because the wiz in charge got very busy RL."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "Most of them felt it was about time that Inaya detached herself from the Elianiks, Mahir. She'd been pressured about it for close to an IC decade."
[Public] Mahir says, "But her children are still viewed as being part of the Republic family? Does Torianos' judgments tie him closer to Inaya's family in the public viewpoint?"
[Public] Audere est facere Hufimo says, "But mostly so that the rest would stop annoying us about it, right? I think that they all seen as clan property, even if they aren't."
[Public] Noble privilege educator, Taleo says, "It's kind of an oddity. Legally speaking the children are Elianiks because that is the higher status in society. When a Ranivor is named, Torianos and Thaddia will have the choice of joining their clan family. If either of them is given the medallion, they immediately become their clan's family. Or they can choose to renounce their Elianik name, and join their clan family."
[Public] Arik says, "That's assuming the Elianik's don't kill each other off."
[Public] Mahir nods to Taleo, "Hence why I was trying to get an insight into the public viewpoint. I'm guessing the viewpoint is: To be determined."
[Public] Noble privilege educator, Taleo nods, You could also argue that Torianos being more of a leader for the Chimera Clan elevates him for the position of Ranivor. It's hard for me to say, I watch SP adjustments and emits for hints of that, but I haven't seen anything in that regard.
[Public] Rikon says, "Torianos and Thaddia? They're totally Taleo's burden."
[Public] Rikon says, "And he loves it."
[Public] Mahir says, "So the Chimera have, from a public perspective, 4 adult nobles, 2 of which are uncertain, plus a whole lot of royal family that's everyone's? Plus now not a lot of connection to the other noble families?"
[Public] Audere est facere Hufimo says, "yeah, but we have a connection we a bunch of gods, beat that! Eh."
[Public] Do Not Upset Mr. Bigglesworth Ronti says, "5 traitors! 4 adult nobles, 3 crazed soldiers, 2 noble families, and a clan leader who needs a vacation...."
[Public] Audere est facere Hufimo says, "She is around often enough, and we also have Torianos that is very present."
[Public] Mahir says, "But to the other clans, isn't Torianos Republic?"
[Public] Rikon says, "I wouldn't call Torianos Republic. That's the problem with Republic Princes playing Clan Proxy."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "Torianos is in a similar position to Zaridos."
[Public] Audere est facere Hufimo says, "Even to the clan it is complicated. He looks as he could one day take the throne as CL but then again, that makes him a good choice for a Ranivor as well."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "It just happens that Torianos dual-identifies with the same clan the Elianiks belong to, instead of a different one like Zaridos."
[Public] Mahir grins and felt like Zaridos just dabbles in the Eagles when his sister isn't looking.
[Public] Arik says, "You realize Zaridos thought he was going to be CL right Mahir? :)"
[Public] Rikon says, "You can argue that Lucas, Rislan, and Savaren have less allegiance and association with the Chimerans. They hold no offices, no real positions of power. They're distancing themselves from 'clan' and instead appearing as 'Republicans.'"
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "You have to remember that clan identity is not necessarily a black or white thing, no matter what the &clan attribute says."
[Public] Jalil has been a member of three himself.
[Public] Mahir nods, "Especially with intermarriages joining so many families across so many clans. (hence the peace marriages with the Eagles/Hydra, or in the past Bears/Gold Dragons, etc.) Just a lot of those joinings to the Chimera were severed with the demise of the Rissik family, wasn't it?"
[Public] Jalil says, "Neo was to be married to a Rissik."
[Public] Jalil says, "So, yes."
[Public] Jalil says, "But, he kinda had his own issues."
[Public] Audere est facere Hufimo says, "Rasha was an old blood married into the Riss"
[Public] Zekki says, "Rissiks had Eagle, Hydran, and soon-to-be GD ties."
[Public] Zekki says, "As well as Trice ones."
[Public] Mahir says, "Bear ties through children."
[Public] Zekki says, "Yep."
[Public] Fiero says, "Right, Akiva is a Princess, and she has Rissik blood."
[Public] Mahir says, "All of which were wiped out."
[Public] Zalman says, "also Nazeera was a bear at one time..."
[Public] Audere est facere Hufimo says, "but she was neo"
[Public] Audere est facere Hufimo says, "The loss is on losing those that have old blood and ties to the other high families, the neos we can go without."
[Public] Mahir nods. "Indeed."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "Well. The Rissiks were really neo anyway."
[Public] % Jeanne says, "The Rissiks were sort of the original 'neos' in a way."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "They were the oldest of the neos, really, and might have been considered old blood in a couple of generations, but they were still neo."
[Public] Rikon says, "The Rissiks aren't the first noble family the Chimerans lost, either."
[Public] Rikon says, "So that's also a factor."
[Public] Zalman says, "yeah.... even if they had old blood ties it doesn't matter.... the rissik news file at least at one time referred to them as the "new money" not sure it still does, least I think that's the file that did..."
[Public] FERRET STAMPEDE Amber says, "In any case, we've gone for just over two hours, so I'm going to wrap things up if there are no burning questions. :)"
[Public] Orfi says, "thanks Amber"
[Public] Mahir says, "Thank you, Amber!"
[Public] Giana says, "Thank you, Amber."
[Public] Audere est facere Hufimo says, "Thanks Amber. It was interesting."
